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“Will Frimley Park observers include Farnham councillors?”

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At this meeting of Surrey County Council, a motion was passed calling on the next government to reform local government finance, and the Council agreed to set up a Joint Health Overview and Scrutiny Committee with Hampshire County Council and Bracknell Forest Council to scrutinise the plans for the rebuilding of Frimley Park Hospital.

Local Government Finance

Councillor Robert Evans OBE proposed a motion calling for the reform of the system of local government finance. He described the current system, which is based on council tax, as “manifestly unfair”. He argued that “reform is overdue” and that “a wealthy county like Surrey should not forever be short of money and cutting services."

Councillor Will Forster seconded the motion. He highlighted the disparity between the council tax paid by Buckingham Palace, which is valued at £1bn, and that paid by an average three-bedroom semi in Blackpool, arguing that it demonstrates how “broken” the system is.

In the debate that followed, many members spoke in support of the motion, including Councillor Tim Oliver, the Leader of the Council, who said that he “completely agreed” that the system of local government finance was no longer fit for purpose. He committed to lobby the government for reform in his role as chair of the County Councils Network, a national body representing the interests of county councils in England.

Several members suggested specific reforms, including an airport passenger duty levied on passengers using Heathrow and Gatwick Airports, a local levy on fuel duty at Surrey petrol stations, and a review of business rates.

Councillor David Lewis argued that “you tinker with the system at your peril”, pointing to the poll tax as an example of a reform that was “hugely unpopular” and had to be reversed.

Councillor Trefor Hogg argued that “all taxation is unfair”, and expressed concern that a mansion tax would penalise people who had bought their family home many years previously and had subsequently seen its value increase.

Councillor Eber Kington argued that the focus should be on a review of business rates, pointing out that Surrey businesses pay approximately £600 million a year in business rates but Surrey councils receive back only £130 million.

Councillor David Harmer pointed out that 70% of the Council’s spending now goes on social care, and argued that there should be a serious conversation about whether county councils should continue to have responsibility for this service.

Councillor Mark Nuti argued that the motion was pointless, as it would have no effect on the next government. He suggested that the movers of the motion should instead lobby their national party colleagues to include a commitment to reform council tax in their manifestos.

Councillor Jane Weston expressed concern that people living in million-pound homes pay only a little more in council tax than people living in two-bedroom terraced houses, arguing that it is “morally right” for people in larger houses to pay “miles more”.

The motion was passed with one abstention.

Advertising and Sponsorship Policy

The Council noted the Greener Futures Reference Group's feedback on the motion concerning the Council’s advertising and sponsorship policy that was referred from the Council meeting on 11 October 2022. The Group did not endorse the officers’ recommendation not to change the policy, and recommended that the issue be considered by the Cabinet.

The motion called for the Council to take the lead in not promoting carbon producing products on advertising holdings and digital advertising devices located on Surrey County Council’s highways. The Highways Service briefing argued that it could result in a loss of income of £500,000 per year.

Councillor Lance Spencer, the Chair of the Group, criticised the Council for repeatedly referring motions about climate change to select committees instead of debating them in full council. He said that officers had suggested using the £500,000 of lost income to support greener future projects, but argued that “we allow the adverts to promote carbon emissions and then we spend the money from the adverts to reduce the carbon emissions. I’m not sure how that works”.

Councillor Jonathan Essex, the mover of the motion, urged members to support the Group’s recommendation. He argued that the £500,000 figure was unproven and spurious , and that allowing advertising for high carbon goods while taking action on climate change was “absurd” and like "tobacco advertising funding sports events in Surrey”.

He argued that changing the advertising policy would be a way for the Council to show leadership on climate change, and pointed out that Somerset County Council and Cambridge County Council have already introduced similar policies.

Councillor Catherine Baart, the seconder of the motion, argued that the Council should use its newly devolved powers from the County Deal and its new electronic billboards to promote Surrey’s green companies.

Councillor Oliver, the Leader of the Council, said that the Cabinet would consider the issue.

Establishment of a Joint Health Overview and Scrutiny Committee (Frimley Park Hospital)

The Council agreed to set up a JHOSC with Hampshire County Council and Bracknell Forest Council to scrutinise the plans for the rebuilding of Frimley Park Hospital.

Councillor Trefor Hogg, the Chair of the Adults and Health Select Committee, said that Frimley Park is one of seven hospitals in England that are most severely affected by RAAC and are due to be rebuilt by 2030 as part of the Government’s New Hospitals Programme. He argued that scrutiny will be “particularly important” in this case, as the rebuild is part of a much larger programme that is facing “severe risk pressures”.

The new Committee will have four members from Surrey, four from Hampshire, and two from Bracknell Forest. In addition, local members from the divisions closest to the hospital will be invited to attend meetings as non-voting observers.

Councillor Catherine Powell called for councillors from Farnham, which is served by Frimley Park but is not geographically contiguous with the rest of the area, to be included as non-voting observers.

Councillor David Lewis argued that the Committee should focus on which GP surgeries are associated with Frimley Park, rather than on where people live.

The recommendations were agreed unanimously.

Attendees

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Maureen Attewell  Conservative
Profile image for Ayesha Azad
Ayesha Azad  Conservative
Profile image for Catherine Baart
Catherine Baart  The Green Party
Profile image for Steve Bax
Steve Bax  Deputy Cabinet Member for Highways •  Conservative
Profile image for John Beckett
John Beckett  Residents Association
Profile image for Luke Bennett
Luke Bennett  Conservative
Profile image for Amanda Boote
Amanda Boote  Independent
Profile image for Dennis Booth
Dennis Booth  Residents for Guildford and Villages
Profile image for Harry Boparai
Harry Boparai  Liberal Democrats
Profile image for Liz Bowes
Liz Bowes  Conservative
Profile image for Natalie Bramhall
Natalie Bramhall  Cabinet Member for Property, Waste and Infrastructure •  Conservative
Profile image for Helyn Clack
Helyn Clack  Deputy Cabinet Member for Children, Families and Lifelong Learning •  Conservative
Profile image for Stephen Cooksey
Stephen Cooksey  Liberal Democrats
Profile image for Clare Curran
Clare Curran  Deputy Cabinet Member for Children, Families and Lifelong Learning •  Conservative
Profile image for Nick Darby
Nick Darby  Dittons and Weston Green Residents
Profile image for Fiona Davidson
Fiona Davidson  Residents for Guildford and Villages
Profile image for Paul Deach
Paul Deach  Deputy Cabinet Member to the Leader of the Council •  Conservative
Profile image for Kevin Deanus
Kevin Deanus  Cabinet Member for Fire and Rescue, and Resilience •  Conservative
Profile image for Jonathan Essex
Jonathan Essex  The Green Party Group Leader •  The Green Party
Profile image for Chris Farr
Chris Farr  Independent
Profile image for Paul Follows
Paul Follows  Liberal Democrats Group Leader and Leader of the Official Opposition •  Liberal Democrats
Profile image for Will Forster
Will Forster  Liberal Democrats
Profile image for John Furey
John Furey  Conservative
Profile image for Angela Goodwin
Angela Goodwin  Liberal Democrats
Profile image for Jeffrey Gray
Jeffrey Gray  Liberal Democrats
Profile image for Tim Hall
Tim Hall  Chair of the Council •  Conservative
Profile image for David Harmer
David Harmer  Conservative
Profile image for Edward Hawkins
Edward Hawkins  Conservative
Profile image for Marisa Heath
Marisa Heath  Cabinet Member for Environment •  Conservative
Profile image for Trefor Hogg
Trefor Hogg  Conservative
Profile image for Robert Hughes
Robert Hughes  Conservative
Profile image for Jonathan Hulley
Jonathan Hulley  Cabinet Member for Children, Families and Lifelong Learning •  Conservative
Profile image for Saj Hussain
Saj Hussain  Conservative
Profile image for Frank Kelly
Frank Kelly  Conservative
Profile image for Riasat Khan
Riasat Khan  Independent
Profile image for Robert King
Robert King  Labour and Co-operative
Profile image for Eber Kington
Eber Kington  Residents Association
Profile image for Rachael Lake BEM
Rachael Lake BEM  Conservative
Profile image for Victor Lewanski
Victor Lewanski  Independent
Profile image for David Lewis
David Lewis  Conservative
Profile image for David Lewis
David Lewis  Cabinet Member for Finance and Resources •  Conservative
Profile image for Scott Lewis
Scott Lewis  Conservative
Profile image for Andy Lynch
Andy Lynch  Reform UK Group Leader •  Reform UK
Profile image for Andy MacLeod
Andy MacLeod  Farnham Residents
Profile image for Ernest Mallett MBE
Ernest Mallett MBE  Residents' Association and Independent
Profile image for Michaela Martin
Michaela Martin  Farnham Residents
Profile image for Jan Mason
Jan Mason  Residents Association
Profile image for Steven McCormick
Steven McCormick  Residents Association
Profile image for Cameron McIntosh
Cameron McIntosh  Conservative
Profile image for Julia McShane
Julia McShane  Liberal Democrats
Profile image for Sinead Mooney
Sinead Mooney  Cabinet Member for Adult Social Care •  Conservative
Profile image for Carla Morson
Carla Morson  Liberal Democrats
Profile image for Bernie Muir
Bernie Muir  Vice-Chair of the Council •  Conservative
Profile image for Mark Nuti
Mark Nuti  Cabinet Member for Health and Wellbeing, and Public Health •  Conservative
Profile image for John O'Reilly
John O'Reilly  Conservative
Profile image for Rebecca Paul
Rebecca Paul  Conservative
Profile image for George Potter
George Potter  Liberal Democrats
Profile image for Catherine Powell
Catherine Powell  Residents' Association and Independent Group Leader •  Farnham Residents
Profile image for Penny Rivers
Penny Rivers  Liberal Democrats
Profile image for John Robini
John Robini  Liberal Democrats
Profile image for Becky Rush
Becky Rush  Conservative
Profile image for Joanne Sexton
Joanne Sexton  Independent
Profile image for Lance Spencer
Lance Spencer  Liberal Democrats
Profile image for Lesley Steeds
Lesley Steeds  Conservative
Profile image for Mark Sugden
Mark Sugden  Conservative
Profile image for Richard Tear
Richard Tear  Conservative
Profile image for Ashley Tilling
Ashley Tilling  Liberal Democrats
Profile image for Chris Townsend
Chris Townsend  Ashtead Independent, working with Ashtead Residents
Profile image for Liz Townsend
Liz Townsend  Liberal Democrats
Profile image for Denise Turner-Stewart
Denise Turner-Stewart  Deputy Leader and Cabinet Member for Customer and Communities •  Conservative
Profile image for Hazel Watson
Hazel Watson  Liberal Democrats
Profile image for Jeremy Webster
Jeremy Webster  Conservative
Profile image for Buddhi Weerasinghe
Buddhi Weerasinghe  Conservative
Profile image for Fiona White
Fiona White  Liberal Democrats
Profile image for Keith Witham
Keith Witham  Conservative
Profile image for Tim Oliver OBE
Tim Oliver OBE  Leader of the Council •  Conservative

Topics

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Meeting Documents

Agenda

Agenda frontsheet Tuesday 19-Mar-2024 10.00 Council
Supplementary Agenda - Items 6 8 i and 10 Tuesday 19-Mar-2024 10.00 Council

Additional Documents

Public minutes Tuesday 19-Mar-2024 10.00 Council
Item 2 - Appendix A - Item 5 - Leaders Statement - BUDGET Council 6 February 2024
Appendix A - Item 5 - Leaders Statement - Council 19 March 2024
Item 6 1 - Council Member Questions and Responses - 19 March 2024
Item 6 2 - Cabinet and Deputy Cabinet Member Briefings - 19 March 2024
Item 9 - Appendix 2 Highways Service Briefing on Advertising Sponsorship Policy Motion
Item 10 - Establishment of a JHOSC Frimley Park Hospital - cover report
Item 12 - Annual Report to Council - Member Development
Item 13 - Report of the Cabinet
Item 14 - Cabinet Minutes 27 February 2024
Item 11 - Select Committees Report to Council
Item 2 - Council BUDGET 6 February 2024 - Minutes Merge
Item 9 - SC Feedback on a referred motion Advertising and Sponsorship Policy - cover report
Item 10 - Annex A - JHOSC Frimley Park Draft Terms of Reference
Item 12 - Appendix 1 - Member Development Sessions Jul 22 - Dec 23