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Extraordinary Meeting - Local Government Reorganisation, County Council - Wednesday, 19 November 2025 10.30 am

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The Hertfordshire County Council met on Wednesday, 19 November 2025, to discuss and vote on proposals for local government reorganisation within the county. The council ultimately voted to recommend a two-unitary authority model as the preferred option for the government's proposed reforms.

Local Government Reorganisation

The primary focus of the meeting was the submission of final proposals for local government reorganisation in Hertfordshire. Councillors debated the merits and drawbacks of various models, including two, three, and four unitary authorities, as well as the option of maintaining the current structure.

Councillor Steve Jarvis, Leader of the Council, moved the motion, stating that the government had asked councils to submit proposals for replacing existing authorities with unitary ones. He noted that significant resources had already been invested in developing these proposals and that the two-unitary model would, in his estimation, minimise the disruption to this Council and reduce the costs of the lowest cost solution.

Councillor Richard Roberts, Leader of the Conservative Group, expressed concerns about the process, describing it as a foreshortened and brutal curtailment of democracy. He highlighted the significant cost of reorganisation, estimated to be over £100 million, and warned of potential increases in council tax and disruption to services. He also noted that the government's plan was not in its manifesto and that there had been a lack of continuity in government leadership on the matter.

The lead speaker for the Reform UK group, David Herring, thanked officers for their work but questioned whether residents cared about governance models or simply wanted services delivered well. He pointed to previous reorganisations in places like Dorset, Cumbria, and Buckinghamshire, which had incurred substantial costs and taken years to implement, often impacting frontline services. He concluded that Local reorganization may have its day but that day is not today.

Kirsty Taylor-Moran, Leader of the Green Group, argued that the reorganisation was being imposed without a mandate and that the process was rushed. She expressed concern that town and parish councils had been ignored and that new unitary authorities would not have adequate resources to invest in public services. The Green Group's preferred option was three unitary authorities, which they believed offered a better balance for residents and financial viability.

Nigel Bell, Leader of the Labour Group, acknowledged that there was no ideal option but leaned towards supporting a four-unitary model, believing it would be closer to residents and better reflect local identities. He stressed that reforms should be about more than just saving money, aiming for a more efficient and democratic outcome.

Councillor Chris Lucas, Executive Member for Resources and Performance, argued strongly in favour of the two-unitary authority model, stating that it was the only viable and responsible option from a financial perspective. He warned that other models would almost certainly bake in inefficiencies and certain bankruptcies.

Councillor Fiona Thomson, Deputy Leader of the Conservative Group, described local government reorganisation as the gift that no one asks for and no one wants. She expressed concern that breaking up Hertfordshire would not improve services and highlighted the lack of consensus across the county for any specific model.

Councillor Anthony Rowlands, Executive Member for Children's Social Care, spoke in favour of the two-unitary model, citing the success of Hertfordshire's children's services, which had been rated outstanding by Ofsted. He quoted a letter from independent scrutineers stating that the more we disaggregate the services to adults children and their families the higher the risks are which directly correlate to fragmentation of partnership workforce and funding.

Councillor Seamus Quilty BEM, a councillor for 24 years, expressed his belief that the current system works well and that dismantling it was unnecessary. He stated, it doesn't really matter to me whether you do two three four five six whatever it's wrong what you are doing is breaking something that works and works well and why are we breaking it because the wretched government want to move the goal posts.

Councillor Liz Needham, Vice-Chair of the Audit Committee, supported the two-unitary authority model, arguing it made both strategic and financial sense. She highlighted the scale required for adult social care and children's services and the potential for savings and resilience with larger authorities.

Councillor Vishal Patel argued for the reconsideration of a single unitary authority, suggesting it could deliver the greatest financial savings and that area working groups could maintain local identity and responsiveness.

Ultimately, after extensive debate and a vote, Hertfordshire County Council recommended the two-unitary authority model. The vote was as follows:

  • Two unitary authorities: 24 votes
  • Three unitary authorities: 2 votes
  • Four unitary authorities: 5 votes
  • Abstentions: 2 votes
  • Not voting: 7 votes
  • Absent: The remainder of the members.

The meeting also included a brief statement from the Chairman of the Council, Councillor Laurence Brass, regarding personal abuse he had received following a previous meeting. He used the opportunity to urge for greater respect and courtesy among elected members. There were no public questions or petitions.

Attendees

Profile image for Ian Albert
Ian Albert Vice-Chair Pensions Committee • Labour
Profile image for Doug Bainbridge
Doug Bainbridge Leader, Reform Group • Reform UK
Profile image for David Barnard
David Barnard Conservative
Profile image for Nigel Bell
Nigel Bell Leader, Labour Group • Labour
Profile image for Tina Bhartwas
Tina Bhartwas Liberal Democrats
Profile image for Laurence Brass
Laurence Brass Chairman of the Council • Liberal Democrats
Profile image for Ruth Brown
Ruth Brown Deputy Executive member for Environment, Transport and Growth; Vice-Chair Standards Committee • Liberal Democrats
Profile image for Eric Buckmaster
Eric Buckmaster Conservative
Profile image for Helen Campbell
Helen Campbell Deputy Executive Member for Highways • Liberal Democrats
Profile image for Rachel Carter
Rachel Carter Chair of the Health Scrutiny Committee • Green
Profile image for Caroline Clapper
Caroline Clapper Vice Chair of Overview & Scrutiny Committee • Reform UK
Profile image for Matt Cowley
Matt Cowley Conservative
Profile image for Ken Crofton
Ken Crofton Conservative
Profile image for Adrian England
Adrian England Executive member for Sustainability • Liberal Democrats
Profile image for Matt Fisher
Matt Fisher Deputy Leader, Green Group • Green
Profile image for Stephen Giles-Medhurst OBE
Stephen Giles-Medhurst OBE Executive member for Highways • Liberal Democrats
Profile image for John Graham
John Graham Conservative
Profile image for John Hale
John Hale Chair of the Audit Committee • Liberal Democrats
Profile image for Dee Hart
Dee Hart Conservative
Profile image for David Herring
David Herring Deputy Leader, Reform Group • Reform UK
Profile image for Penelope Hill
Penelope Hill Vice-Chair of Scrutiny Committee; Chair Impact of Scrutiny Committee • Liberal Democrats
Profile image for Tony Hill
Tony Hill Reform UK
Profile image for Ajanta Hilton
Ajanta Hilton Executive member for Public Health and Community Safety • Liberal Democrats
Profile image for Paula Hiscocks
Paula Hiscocks Conservative
Profile image for Calvin Horner
Calvin Horner Deputy Executive member for Adult Care Services • Liberal Democrats
Profile image for Saul Jacob
Saul Jacob Reform UK
Profile image for Steve Jarvis
Steve Jarvis Leader of the Council; Chair Employment Committee • Liberal Democrats
Profile image for Tony Kingsbury
Tony Kingsbury Conservative
Profile image for Chris Lloyd
Chris Lloyd Vice-Chair of the Health Scrutiny Committee • Liberal Democrats
Profile image for Chris Lucas
Chris Lucas Executive member for Resources and Performance • Liberal Democrats
Profile image for Jan Maddern
Jan Maddern Independent
Profile image for Gemma Moore
Gemma Moore Liberal Democrats
Profile image for Ralph Muncer
Ralph Muncer Conservative
Profile image for Liz Needham
Liz Needham Vice-Chair of the Audit Committee • Liberal Democrats
Profile image for Robin Parker
Robin Parker Liberal Democrats
Profile image for Vishal Patel
Vishal Patel Conservative
Profile image for Mark Pope
Mark Pope Conservative
Profile image for Sean Prendergast
Sean Prendergast Chair Standards Committee • Liberal Democrats
Profile image for Louise Price
Louise Price Deputy Executive member for Children's Social Care • Liberal Democrats
Profile image for Richard Roberts
Richard Roberts Leader, Conservative Group • Conservative
Profile image for Stuart Roberts
Stuart Roberts Liberal Democrats
Profile image for Wendy Rouse
Wendy Rouse  (Reform UK)
Profile image for Anthony Rowlands
Anthony Rowlands Executive member for Children's Social Care • Liberal Democrats
Profile image for Paul Seeby
Paul Seeby  (Conservative)
Profile image for Richard Short
Richard Short  (Liberal Democrats)
Profile image for Hillary Skoczylas
Hillary Skoczylas  Deputy Executive member for Education, SEND and Inclusion •  (Liberal Democrats)
Profile image for Terry Smith
Terry Smith  (Reform UK)
Profile image for Caroline Smith-Wright
Caroline Smith-Wright  (Liberal Democrats)
Profile image for Miriam Swainston
Miriam Swainston  (Liberal Democrats)
Profile image for Sally Symington
Sally Symington Deputy Leader of the Council; Executive member for Adult Care Services; Chair Health & Well-being Board; Vice-Chair Employment Committee • Liberal Democrats
Profile image for Nigel Taylor
Nigel Taylor Chair of Development Control Committee • Liberal Democrats
Profile image for Mayor Peter Taylor
Mayor Peter Taylor  (Liberal Democrats)
Profile image for Kirsty Taylor-Moran
Kirsty Taylor-Moran  Leader, Green Group •  (Green)
Profile image for Fiona Thomson
Fiona Thomson Deputy Leader, Conservative Group; Chair, Overview and Scrutiny Committee • Conservative
Profile image for Sandy Walkington
Sandy Walkington Vice-Chairman of the Council • Liberal Democrats
Profile image for Mark Watkin
Mark Watkin Executive member for Education, SEND and Inclusion • Liberal Democrats
Profile image for Steven Watson
Steven Watson  Vice-Chair of Scrutiny Committee •  (Green)
Profile image for Tim Williams
Tim Williams Deputy Executive Member for Resources and Performance; Chair of the Pensions Committee • Liberal Democrats
Profile image for Alistair Willoughby
Alistair Willoughby  Deputy Leader, Labour Group; Vice-Chair of Scrutiny Committee •  (Labour)
Profile image for Steve Wortley
Steve Wortley Conservative
Profile image for Dr Allison Wren
Dr Allison Wren Deputy Executive Member for Public Health and Community Safety • Liberal Democrats
Profile image for Paul Zukowskyj
Paul Zukowskyj Executive member for Environment, Transport and Growth • Liberal Democrats

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Meeting Documents

Agenda

Agenda frontsheet Wednesday 19-Nov-2025 10.30 County Council.pdf
Council Agenda and Reports.pdf
251119 00b Summons and Agenda - Extraordinary Meeting.pdf

Reports Pack

Public reports pack Wednesday 19-Nov-2025 10.30 County Council.pdf

Additional Documents

Chairmans Letter.pdf
251119 05a Local Government Reorganisation Appendix A.pdf
251119 05 Local Government Reorganisation.pdf